Prayer: Elijah compared to Honi

Ephesians 5:11 … Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them … -Eph5:11;1Tim5:20;2Tim4:2-4;Ti1:13-14

From The Circle Maker by Mark Batterson:
http://www.thecirclemaker.com/The_Circle_Maker_Sampler.pdf

Honi’s Prayer:

And God was nowhere to be heard. But there was one man, an eccentric sage who lived outside the walls of Jerusalem, who dared to pray anyway. His name was Honi. And even if people could no longer hear God, he believed that God could still hear them.

… Honi stood inside the circle he had drawn. Then he dropped to his knees and raised his hands to heaven. With the authority of the prophet Elijah who called down fire from heaven, Honi called down rain.

Lord of the Universe, I swear before your great name that I will not move from this circle until you have mercy upon your children.

… The people rejoice over each drop, but Honi wasn’t satisfied with a sprinkle. Still kneeling within the circle, Honi lifted his voice over the celebration.

Not for such rain have I prayed, but for rain that will fill cisterns, pits and caverns.

… It rained so heavily … people fled .. to escape the flash floods. Honi stayed and prayed inside his protracted circle. Once more he refined his bold request.

Not for such rain have I prayed, but for rain of benevolence, benediction and grace.

Then … it began to rain in perfect moderation.

From my previous post The Legend of Honi the Circle Maker it was seen that the technique of drawing or visualizing a circle is a pagan technique used by Wicca and ritual magic. This made me wonder about Honi’s prayer itself. He addresses God as “Lord of the Universe”, I wondered is this a pagan title for God?

A quick google search for “”lord of the universe” god names” reveals that this is a tile used by Moses for God(Lord of the Universe). However, “lord of the universe” is also a tile used in Wicca circle casting. It also reveals that combining this title and circle technique is a way to build an altar to this Wiccan god. This “lord of the universe” tile is also linked with other gods from new age, mormonism, islam, kabalah … etc.

So how do we know which god Honi was demanding rain from? Notice in the above excerpt Honi is compared to Elijah – maybe a good place to start is by looking at Elijah’s prayer(1Kings 18).

Prayer: Elijah compared to Honi

Take a look at some key verses from 1 Kings 18.
1 Now it happened after many days that the word of the Lord came to Elijah in the third year, saying, “Go, show yourself to Ahab, and I will send rain on the face of the earth.”

Elijah does not act until he hears from the Lord. There is a condition on the Lord sending rain – Elijah must show himself to Ahab.

*Honi does not hear from the Lord.

17 When Ahab saw Elijah, Ahab said to him, “Is this you, you troubler of Israel?” 18 He said, “I have not troubled Israel, but you and your father’s house have, because you have forsaken the commandments of the Lord and you have followed the Baals.

Elijah is accused of causing trouble or conflict. The real reason was because of not listening to the Lord and following other gods.

*False or mixed teaching causes conflict.

36 At the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, Elijah the prophet came near and said, “O Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, today let it be known that You are God in Israel and that I am Your servant and I have done all these things at Your word. 37 Answer me, O Lord, answer me, that this people may know that You, O Lord, are God, and that You have turned their heart back again.” 38 Then the fire of the Lord fell and consumed the burnt offering and the wood and the stones and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.

Elijah prepared an altar and offering according to the Lord’s instructions. The main point of his prayer was that the people may know the Lord and turn their hearts back to the Lord.

Hosea 14:2 … Take words(repentance) with you and return to the LORD. Say to him: “Forgive all our sins and receive us graciously, that we may offer the fruit of our lips”(sacrificial bulls).

Hebrews 13:15 … Through Him(Jesus Christ) then, let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that give thanks to(confess) His name.

1 Thessalonians 5:16-22 … Rejoice always; 17 pray without ceasing; 18 in everything give thanks; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus. 19 Do not quench the Spirit; 20 do not despise prophetic utterances[do not depreciate prophetic revelations nor despise inspired instruction or exhortation or warning].. 21 But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;22 abstain from every form of evil.

*Elijah’s offering before prayer can be compared to giving a thank offering now through Jesus Christ – a sacrifice of praise = the fruit of lips that give thanks – confess His name.

*Honi displayed the opposite of thankfulness in demanding more than a sprinkle.

*Elijah did not demand fire.

41 Now Elijah said to Ahab, “Go up, eat and drink; for there is the sound of the roar of a heavy shower.” 42 So Ahab went up to eat and drink. But Elijah went up to the top of Carmel; and he crouched down on the earth and put his face between his knees. …  45 In a little while the sky grew black with clouds and wind, and there was a heavy shower. And Ahab rode and went to Jezreel. 

*Elijah did not demand rain, but instead by following the Lord’s instructions, the Lord sent rain as He promised.

Elijah’s prayer clearly followed the Lord’s instructions.Honi’s prayer is not a prayer that follows the same pattern as Elijah’s prayer. Since Honi did not hear from the Lord, it makes you wonder what pattern of prayer he followed and what foundation his prayer was built on.Maybe, just maybe this is why Honi and his prayer are not in the bible.

James 5:16-20Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. 17 Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the earth for three years and six months. 18 Then he prayed again, and the sky poured rain and the earth produced its fruit.

19 My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

Related:
Honi the Circle Maker – A Prophet of God?
Bull? Or fruit of your lips?
A Sacrifice of Praise

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